Public Information Centre (PIC) #5

Join us for our next Public Information Centre - PIC #5!

There are many opportunities to learn more about Rapid Transit, ask questions, and provide feedback. Choose the date and location that works best for you. Additional public engagement events planned for January 24, 2018.

PIC Materials

  • Part 1: PIC Display Boards #1 - #12
  • Part 2: PIC Display Boards #13 - #19
  • Part 3: PIC Display Boards #20 - #39
  • Part 4: PIC Display Boards #40 - #51

 

Event Times and Locations

December 9, 2017, Central Library, 251 Dundas St.

Morning:

Open House from 9 a.m. - 12 p.m.

Presentation at 10 a.m.

Afternoon:

Open House from 1:30 p.m. - 4:30 p.m.

Presentation at 2:30 p.m.

Bus routes serving the location: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 12, 13, 15, 19, 20, 21, 23, 26, 90, 102, 104, 106

December 12, 2017, Aeolian Hall, 795 Dundas St.

Open House from 2 – 6 p.m.; Presentation at 3 p.m.

Bus routes serving the location: 2, 7, 20

December 13, 2017, Oakridge Secondary School, 1040 Oxford St. W.

Open House from 5:30 – 8:30 p.m.; Presentation at 6:30 p.m.

Bus routes serving the location: 17, 19

December 13, 2017, Ivey Spencer Leadership Centre, 551 Windermere Rd.

Open House from 6 – 9 p.m.; Presentation at 7 p.m.

Buses serving the location: 32, 90

December 14, 2017, Downtown, Central Library, 251 Dundas St.

Open House from 11 a.m. – 2 p.m.; Presentation at 12:00 p.m.

Bus routes serving the location: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 12, 13, 15, 19, 20, 21, 23, 26, 90, 102, 104, 106

December 14, 2017, Four Points by Sheraton, 1150 Wellington Rd. S.

Open House from 5 – 8 p.m.; Presentation at 6 p.m.

Buses serving the location: 10, 13, 14, 30, 90

Have questions? Email us at shift@london.ca

 

 


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  • We make billion-dollar investments in new transit infrastructure because we expect to use it for decades. The problem with the London BRT is its obsolescence is already foreseeable within a single decade. Further, it is a large intrusive piece of infrastructure that doesn’t address the future realities in London nor is this BRT system connected to an urban planning strategy that increase intensification of foot traffic; the prime market for all public transit.

    Let’s look at three issues that will undermine the value of BRT in London:

    1. The advent of new forms of private vehicle ownership offers drastically lower costs to drive a car instead of taking public transit.
    Across Canada and in particular the Toronto/Golden Horseshoe region companies like Mercedes now see a significant growth strategy for new vehicles in the concept of car sharing https://www.car2go.com/ The advent of vehicle sharing represents a real competitive threat to Transit systems as monthly costs for using these vehicles is only a multiple of 1 to 2 times the cost of city transit passes and comes with the convenience of actually using a vehicle.

    2. The geography of London is not conducive to BRT.
    For the BRT to be successful it will need to convince Londoners to “Park and Ride” to designated BRT stations. London is contemplating the building of a BRT at about the same “life-stage” as Calgary when it first introduced it’s CTrain (1980 pop: 590,000) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CTrain Key to the success of a BRT system will the concept of park and ride. In Calgary when the first CTrain was introduced, this was well received, and the reason for this is that Calgary is a long and narrow geographic area. Driving to a CTrain Station and parking saved on mileage. That is not the case in London where the city is actually in the shape of a Postage stamp. For most Londoner’s driving to the Downtown core will be less distance than driving to BRT Station, making the point of BRT mute to most commuters. Further for those Londoners who work in our industrial sector, BRT will have no value whatsoever as it does not reach these areas.

    3. The rise of autonomous vehicles in Canada in the next 5, 10 and 15 years will alter the transportation behavior of public transit users.
    While the notion of autonomous vehicles may seem like something in the distant future, it is not. All major vehicle manufacturers now build significant components for the aiding of autonomous driving and the emerging business model for passenger autonomous vehicles is not to sell the cars as “private” vehicles but instead, sell the autonomous transportation in form of a service. There will be the obvious competition of autonomous vehicle fleets with public transit and those fleets in all likelihood will make bus services of today seem as quaint as public payphones.

    The BRT has every indication of being a white elephant that London ratepayers will end up paying for during the next few decades. There is no reasonable business case for creating a system that clearly is an out of date vision of public transportation from the previous century.

    David Lundquist
    Home owner in London ON
  • I live on Richmond Street. I have 20 feet from my front door to the street. The plan that is least damaging takes 6.2 feet from the curb on each side. From there, city will need to add in sidewalks. I’m guessing this will be roughly 3 feet which brings the measurements to 9 + feet, which is half of my front lawn and driveways. This is also a problem because City will be removing an entire street of beautiful 100 year old maple trees that line’s Richmond. Plus driveways will be eliminated and home owners will lose parking. Not to mention the danger of now opening out front door and having 10 feet of clearance from a busy road.. If I attempt to sell my home, I won’t be able to because BRT and the depreciation of my property will be approx $500,000… How will the City compensate these home owners?
  • Months ago, I asked my alderman, Moh Salih, how BRT will impact the mill rate and if transit users are going to face a fare increase. To date he has not given me the information. Could it be that this administration is avoiding telling the public the truth about the financial implication of BRT? Taxpayers and transit user deserve to know. These public information meetings are nothing more than wasted tax dollars on propaganda.
  • This Council is bound and determined to be in the history books. They don’t care about anything else. As someone who lives in an area where this won’t be useful for me to use. It will just make me drive out of my way to get to and from work. I’m sure I’m not the only one who turns left on and consequently off Oxford. The bus system in our end is still going to take an hour to get anywhere. We will be paying for this for a very long time with all of our taxes, when this will help no one and hurt businesses, and individuals just trying to go about thier day. THIS IS SUCH A DUMB WASTE OF MONEY.
  • Don’t tear up Richmond Street – this council is nuts. Old North is home to the architecture that makes London the charming city that it is. Killing great architecture kills great cities! The morons on council are now widening the train underpass on Wharncliffe and Oxford Streets. Why didn’t they plan bus lanes, duh. The only people using the northern route en mass are students. They stay for 3 or 4 yrs then leave. Matt Brown could care less about what makes cities truly great. 15% of us use public transport. Will that increase under BRT. Doubtful. Saving 3 minutes is no balancing outcome for ripping up the old North. If council really wants to do something great with infrastructure funding use it to buy out the CP rail yards, put in a rail by pass or join it with CN tracks. Redevelop all that land! If Atlanta can do it why can’t we. Matt Brown has no vision period. Time for him to zip up his pants and go back to teaching.
  • I’m in support of a modern mass transit system for London. But this is not it. I fail to see how a slightly faster bus service serving mostly students for 8 months of the year is progressive. I don’t believe this system will persuade people, for example working at UWO or UH, to leave their cars at home and use a bus? If reduced traffic lanes are needed, car traffic will be impacted. Unless it’s an all electric system it’s hardly “green” especially if car usage doesn’t decrease. I think a true rapid transit system, i.e. an elevated monorail or subway system is the future, but London is too small a market for the cost. This BRT is too costly a gamble and I do not have faith in the current elected administration to plan or implement it. This should be a referendum on the ballot in 2018. FYI, I am a senior and drive an electric car.
  • This BILLION dollar project does nothing to improve public transit. We will pay for it for decades. Council and in particular Matt Brown don’t care what the public says. We don’t want it. If anyone wants reelection in less than a yrs time, LISTEN!!!
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  • I am looking forward to the presentation. London needs BRT to have a more diverse modes of transportation. I can spend an hour travel by bus, one way. For waiting for the bus, traveling on it, and then arriving too early. I wish you had diplayed some better saving. As not everyone along the existing Express Bus route, can catch it. With BRT, it would have more stops then the Express Bus and still faster.

    I wish there was a well, to show all the different road works being planned in the short and long term, with the estimate project. There would help to inform the public, BRT maybe the biggest one transportation project London has done, but other combining other projects London does; it only takes a few years to spend $500M on those projects.
  • I believe you should be listening to Londoners and the majorité of Londoners do not want this. Mr Mayor this does not make you win votes in fact I believe you will loose them when you are trying to push something we are not in need of. The roads are not équiped for this change considering most developers are building so close to the road way, something your city of London council have approved. So this leaves no room for expansion of the road way which will then backup traffic more than it already is. We are not Toronto where it takes a long period of time to get from one end to another. Start listening to the people that pay for you to be in the position you are in.
  • I don’t understand why my tax dollars are going to be used for something so expensive. I haven’t used a bus in 35ish years. I drive, walk or ride a bike anywhere I want to go. why don’t we spend the money that will be used for the rapid transit on fixing our roads and infrastructure? our roads are horrible in this city. rapid transit doesn’t sound good to me when I know our roads need so much work. its like putting new tires on a car that doesn’t have a motor.